tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3167765906408471551.post4366505947211241786..comments2014-12-29T17:32:42.680-08:00Comments on Lord Bishington's Thoughts: Short and Sharp - Limitiation of LibertyLord Victor 'Bones' Bishingtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04632294345137914846noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3167765906408471551.post-40188628423454747272011-07-17T23:39:24.004-07:002011-07-17T23:39:24.004-07:00Most people defend the anti-vaccine stance on two ...Most people defend the anti-vaccine stance on two grounds. 1. Religious such as christian science. They usually dance through serious hoops to fit it into their world view. It stems back to their campaigns against smallpox vaccination.2. People with poor ideas about healthcare. A lot of healthcare scares exist because people who don't understand medicine (I keep putting of posting an explanation of immunity for a pro vaccine site) and they produce weird ideas that "make sense" but turn out to be unscientific. Every health scare allows them to bang ther drum. The problem being that medicine has exceeded common understanding so as to become akin to magic and religion and doctor's its priests. They see it as a trickery becuase they forget all the real diseases out there.<br /><br />AviAvicennahttp://a-million-gods.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3167765906408471551.post-88494460662951678312011-07-14T06:31:27.218-07:002011-07-14T06:31:27.218-07:00Good post. Vaccination is a great example. Many li...Good post. Vaccination is a great example. Many libertarians employ some measure of logical consistency and accept that they should be free to do as they wish so long as their actions don't impinge upon the freedom of others. Because of the necessity of herd immunity for vaccination to be effective, there is a very close relationship between choosing not to be vaccinated and potentially causing harm to others. Accordingly, even a libertarian would be hard pressed to argue that they should be free not to vaccinate their children. Those who do, given the need for herd immunity, are simply hypocrites, or social Darwinists -- they think it's okay for them not to vaccinate, all the while depending on others who are vaccinated; or, they think that nobody should be vaccinated so that only the fit survive (and the unfit die). So, should we force people to vaccinate? Yes, because anybody who chooses not to vaccinate their child (for no good reason) is a hypocrite or a sociopath.Johnny Lydiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3167765906408471551.post-18880466220678933822011-07-11T04:14:46.189-07:002011-07-11T04:14:46.189-07:00Libertarians are basically just selfish toddlers. ...Libertarians are basically just selfish toddlers. They fantasize that they can do whatever they want without any repercussions from their neighbors.<br /><br />My state allows aerial shell type of fireworks. Localities can ban them or limit when they can be set off, but my city actually exempts fireworks from noise ordinances.<br /><br />This means for about 3 weeks leading up to July 4 I can be jarred by a hugely loud *boom* at almost any random moment. The fireworks store near me sets off the aerial shells over a busy intersection. I live about 200-300 yards from this store, and my dogs were completely traumatized by this to the point that one of them now barks at fireflies and the moon.<br /><br />My neighbors have complained to the store owner and he has replied basically "too bad, live with it." Babies get woken from naps. Cancer patients can't get any sleep. Does he care? Nope, not at all.<br /><br />Sadly, I don't know where this fellow lives, or else I'd blare opera and Disney tunes in front of his home at 6 a.m. on July 5 every year.<br /><br />Okay, not exactly on point... but still.... anti-vaccination parents' children benefit from the vaccinated children around them. At a certain point their children are no longer protected, and then these diseases will kill again.<br /><br />They're almost like evolution deniers. Germ theory is "just a theory," right?LadyAtheistnoreply@blogger.com